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What also still goes through my mind are the first results of my using WHO IS IP
address recognition tools, some free, some registered, finding BIG GOOD sites
I KNEW were on the level NOT showing their REAL IP at all, probably for several
constantly updated redirectioning reasons like you may have yourself by now.

Given this, how am I to know whether or not to trust or distrust an UNKNOWN
URL which could be showing the wrong IP for a trustworthy or non trustworthy
reason?]]>http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:11:13 -04002008-07-24T03:11:13SATYROBE on Need some advice re domain hijackingSATYROBEhttp://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181 The new company does not sound trustworthy or like they would exist in their current

form for long at all, that is right. This post is extremely interesting for a newbie

like me wondering which country to set up my first somewhat independent site in,

whether to have it locked, how much to pay for it, etc..



Germany where I reside and know some companies my friends + I think I could trust

seems less attractive because a federal law ruins the looks of the 1st page

of any business site by forcing u to stick an ugly taxation number in the middle

of it, even if you are trying to attract skinners! Yoicks!



In the States, and I don´t know anything about the U. K., so I looked around first

checking free or cheap offers by companies TESTED somewhere (which may not be a

good method either), finding reasonably priced locking and transfer offers not to

be free, the companies a bit small, each of them showing off with some features

the others really did not have and vice versa.



You probably already used the right WHO IS like tools, and I did not read all of your

links yet.



Still, imagine this:



2 or 3 years ago, when hijacking was a bit less severe, you open up some sites,

even lock some, u think, forget about exact details as to how much redirected

locked sites could cost you even if only redirected once or twice.



Only by trying to hijack them yourself, which may result in your being prosecuted,

you would know whether they are really locked, even if you pay for that feature.



Then a real hijacker pretending to be the new owner of the server only hijacks

all of your supposedly locked and unlocked sites and the old server.



Each time you try to find out whether the old company exists, instead you get a

page schemed by the hijacker looking as if the old company legally turned every

thing over to them.



Or they just go broke, the old company? German proverb, you can´t pull anything

out of a naked man´s pockets, even in court, most times.



Or while drinking beer, the old company really did agree on shoving everything

over to the new company, toasting to themselves in a pub. Or both companies

always belonged to the same jerks and are always reformed. The first company´s

only purpose is to shanghai you to their more expensive next company.



Who says the new company really owns you instead of having hijacked you. A THIRD

company could be the new owner, not the hijacker, even if the OLD one REALLY

closed down at all.



If I could afford it, I would test my stuff unlocked, locked, plus always backup

anything I update on my own computer, and may even have 1 or 2 other companies

with similar locked and unlocked looks.



Which is all time and dough consuming. Guess I will be asking more experienced

US domain or subdomain runners what they recommend. Which is not always what

they use themselves, if they are good, especially if not commissioned by their tip.



Wonder which tests are more neutral and acknowledged. Hope you are not hijacked

and keep good records of future terms you agree on. Free redirecting might be

getting a bit more scarce even in good offers. I wonder. Thanks for your

experiences! ]]>http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:11:13 -04002008-07-24T03:11:13SATYROBE on Need some advice re domain hijackingkingbeehttp://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181 yall really use the word 'whilst' frequently?

you argued your point well. i'm not sure how, why or under whose authority sitewizard/nominet/whomever were allowed to divvy up the neglected accounts.

the thing about saving hapless owners from domain registration expiration is nonsense. domain owners have a relatively generous grace period after the official expiration date as i recall.

disgraceful.]]>http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:11:13 -04002008-07-24T03:11:13kingbee on Need some advice re domain hijackingJafohttp://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181The company email 'appeared' all well and lovely....but unfortunately the in-house comment was pretty damning [one wonders whether its inclusion was accidental or not]...

There remains, however an 'expectation' of privacy/confidentiality with person to person emails, the same as with telephone conversations...and both are 'protected' under the same 'Act'.

It's probably not an 'ideal' situation to publish such emails on a public forum....

]]>http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:11:13 -04002008-07-24T03:11:13Jafo on Need some advice re domain hijackingcraeonicshttp://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181 The man uses the words "delighted", "excellent" and "fantastic" to describe his own company. Shady, very shady. The employee comment though, is a typical "look, we have a whining customer" remark. Wouldn't get too upset about that, it's company nature.

Anyhow, moral of the story: spread your risk and don't park all your domains in the same place.]]>http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:11:13 -04002008-07-24T03:11:13craeonics on Need some advice re domain hijackingJafohttp://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Personal information...aka customer database is a commercial comodity which 'might' be protected from being on-sold to an external entity....eg advertising, etc ... but a corporate merger/takeover....that's a whole different thing.

I doubt you are 'excluded' from that potential information transfer...

]]>http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:11:13 -04002008-07-24T03:11:13Jafo on Need some advice re domain hijackingkingbeehttp://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Link i have a better idea of what's going on.

if nominet is the uk's primary registrar--or at least the registrar that licensed firevision--i guess they feel they're acting in your best interest. in either case, it would seem as if they screwed up by selecting firevision as a marketing partner and you shouldn't be liable for their mistake...or for such an outrageous fee to transfer your domain account to another, hopefully more responsible, host.

if it happened here, i'm guessing someone would already be in court but since yall are less litigious, perhaps theres someone in the government to whom you can appeal for relief?

as far as the personal data transfer goes, i'm guessing that's a necessity if this guy is totally incommunicado.

i hadda client for whom i'd set up a fairly extensive 'store' (at their request) thru a free site provider. a little more than 2 years into the project--just as the site was beginning to pay off for my client--the operators had some sorta serious financial problems and they pulled the plug. fortunately, i'd recently finished updating prices following the publication of their annual print catalog and i'd made a point of downloading the entire thing so it wasn't quite as bad as it mighta been. unfortunately, the site went offline the day after thanksgiving which is the first day of the holiday buying season.

six months later, they'd reorganized and contacted us to see if we wanted to join their new portal. i just said no thanks...but no thanks. ]]>http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:11:13 -04002008-07-24T03:11:13kingbee on Need some advice re domain hijackingJafohttp://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181
Are they in breach of the Data Protection Act for handling customer details without those customer's consent?

Probably not, though I think they are obliged to inform you of the change.

There's probably a disclaimer somewhere determining 'how' details can be communicated/transferred as 'normal' operational process.

As for the price hike....about all you can likely do there is complain to the UK equivalent of Oz's ACCC ....consumer affairs advocate....

]]>http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:11:13 -04002008-07-24T03:11:13Jafo on Need some advice re domain hijackingkingbeehttp://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181
They also charge to transfer domains away to another reseller, which is something which was always a free service with my old reseller. I can still access the domain control panel at OpenSRS, but this company seems to have locked the .com domains to prevent them being transferred. As for the .me.uk domains, they refuse to perform the tag change to allow me to transfer them to another reseller unless I pay them a fee.


sounds pretty sketchy to me. can you provide the name of your new host so i can check em out?]]>http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181http://grayhaze.joeuser.com/article/81181Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:11:13 -04002008-07-24T03:11:13kingbee on Need some advice re domain hijacking