Published on July 15, 2003 By grayhaze In WinCustomize Talk
Upon release of my metalX2 and dinksDX skins, I decided to try a little experiment to see just how willing the general user would be to voluntarily pay a small amount of money in appreciation of the work that went into the skin, and to support future development.

Despite clocking up over 25,000 downloads so far on those skins, I haven't received a single donation. I can't say I'm too surprised because I never believed for one moment that I'd make any real money out of it, but I never for one moment thought that I wouldn't make a single penny!

I'm not telling you this because I'm upset about the lack of donations, or to make anyone feel guilty. I'm telling fellow skinners in case they consider doing a similar thing with their own skins in the future. It's just not worth the effort to set it up.

I find it remarkable that when a discussion about commercial skins comes up you get a multitude of comments about how someone just bought the skin to show their appreciation of the artist's work, even if they didn't particularly like the skin. You also get the people bemoaning the fact that someone dares to request money before they are able to use a skin. Surely the concept of voluntary donations should satisfy both of those crowds, and should at least meet with a limited amount of success?

I'm therefore considering never releasing a free skin again. I may get a lot of people complaining about having to pay for a skin, but at the same time I can at least be relatively confident that I'll get one or two buyers at the same time.

Although I enjoy skinning, I'm perfectly willing to be honest and admit that a lot of what I do is for public recognition, and in the hopes that it may lead on to bigger and better things. As an unemployed graphic designer (something which is becoming increasingly common in this country), I would like to think that someone out there will someday download one of my skins and think it's good enough to offer me some work.

I do create skins for myself, but in all honesty if I only did it for myself I wouldn't spend the amount of time I do on an individual skin. I wouldn't mind the occasional glitch here and there, just so long as it serves its purpose and gives me pleasure. I spend the extra time on my skins for both the reasons mentioned above, and because I want to give the users of my skins the best they could possibly hope for. I listen to comments and try to mold the skin into something the users want, even if that conflicts with my own tastes or needs.

Anyway, after the next update to dinksDX and metalX2, you'll be unlikely to see much in the way of free skins coming from my computer. I'd be interested to know if there are others out there who feel the way I do.
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on Jul 15, 2003
MikeB talks a lot of sense, grayhaze. Perhaps you should go that route. Human nature says "if its free grab it" - that is the sort of culture we live in now.

I certainly back the paying for skins lobby as some of you guys put a lot of time and effort into giving many of us great deal of pleasure and i think it is only fair that we put our hand in our pocket in return. I have just started skinning with my first logon screen and over the next year hope to add to this. If in a year or so's time i become as good as you, Mike, Hippy and the rest of the crew then i would also consider charging for some of my work.

I can see your dilema and understand your feelings.
on Jul 15, 2003
I do not feel qualified to comment on this thread beyond stating that your vision and skills are something that many aspire to reach and some are left only dreaming of attaining for what ever reason that may hold them back.

really, really...
on Jul 15, 2003
I have no issues at all in making donations to support the hard work you put in greyhaze! I DO have issues with PayPal though > Open to suggestions
on Jul 15, 2003
What's wrong with PayPal?



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on Jul 15, 2003
#19 by Tech Cat - 7/15/2003 2:10:48 PM What's wrong with PayPal?


Well for one thing if you buy somthing that cost a lot and get @*&##@! who do you go after legally?....technically you paid paypal and they cover there a**s pretty good with disclaimers and such.
on Jul 15, 2003
Hey Grey : I remember my first date when I was a wee lad Daddy loaned my his Mustang and he told me "Son do not try to buy a cow if you can get milk from the barn."
on Jul 15, 2003
Hay Grey, did not even know that you were asking for donation. But your work is worth it. Keep it up and dont let all this get you down.
on Jul 15, 2003
I need my money for beer
on Jul 15, 2003
I prefer eye candy to get my high so I glady pay for professional well done eye candy.



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on Jul 15, 2003
Is that not illegal
on Jul 15, 2003
Is that not illegal
on Jul 15, 2003
I don't mean do drugs while looking at eye candy. I mean the eye candy itself gives me a high. It adds excitement to my otherwise boring desktop.



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on Jul 15, 2003
* AR nods up n down*

Sure Tech ..... Sure
on Jul 15, 2003
I'm aware that many people have a problem with PayPal, but from past experience I've always found them to be reliable. Short of paying for credit card processing myself, there's no easy solution other than PayPal though.
on Jul 15, 2003
I am a Wincustomize subscriber, I paid for Object Desktop and I have purchased two Pixtudio suites but I have never made a donation. Why, you ask?
Now there are different reasons:
1. I am a postgraduate student on a very limited scholarship
2. I am very naive, assuming that art published on Wincustomize is actually made by people who do skinning as a hobby rather than a using it as a source of income.
3. When I look at the seemingly "tight" skinner community at WC, I can't help but feeling guilty for not contributing. I am a scientist not an artist and although I tried myself of Photoshop, my work will never be good enough for publishing. Furthermore I have been working like a maniac for the last three years for an amount of money that does not even cover my cost of living, and I therefore really don't like certain comments along the line "you don't contribute, you don't donate therefore you have to be a p*@ck" that have become only too common on this site.

I can understand your situation grayhaze and it has certainly opened my eyes about the situation of some of the skinners at WC, but you also have to understand that a lot of the people that downloaded and appreciated your wonderful skin are no better off than you.

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