There are some things in this world man will "never" be able to explain and thank God for that or it would be a boring world w/o mistery don't you think?

Go to a good Observatory at night alone if possible just once and really look at the stars in space and specially the moon, go to the beach and look at the ocean and the things in it and just be quiet and think about things, do you seriously think we and the earth we live on was all by accident???

My biggest thing I've often wondered in the past was if God is God and powerful why did he create imperfect ppl that messed up over an apple back in the begining? Why did he have the apples next to where they could even reach them? Why give us temptation and choices over them?
but then why would God create little puppets, dolls or robots?

"A real living God" would want "real living people" capable of their own minds not being controlled as puppets on a string by him or the company he created to love would be boring to him and the love we returned would mean nothing to him was the best answer I could come up w/ on that...

I'm not sure God is Perfect but I think his "Love" is perfect causing his only flaw which keeps him from distroying us even from the first time we messed up.
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The Dead Sea scrolls have nothing to do you the Mormon..........  They were no Mormon living in the Middle East during the life time of Jesus. 

No, no Mormons, but they did have cars even way back then. As Doreen points, Adam and Eve "messed up" , so "God drove them from the garden in his Fury"

wise guys everywhere... hehe

actually the one I like the bestest is that we have fossils to test our faith? (I dunno me is tired it's somewhere in this thread and I ain't looking for it)

They tell a slightly different story of Jesus.

Koa, that was the sentence that made me think of mormons.

I am not a mormon. Have no wish to participate in the occult.

Kona other Religions that are different from yours are not occults they are merely other humans like you searching for the answer... nothing more nothing less

Doreen goes searching for my bed early tonight.

OK I believe different but do not wish to futher argue so I will drop it.

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http://www.godlovesgays.com/bibcont.htm

@ Jafo - he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy

John 8:44

boring? Why it isn't as if we knew everything we would stop killing each other wholesale for various ignorant reasons..



But if it was known, it might force people to accept their actions as their own and not have something else to blame, or it might cause them to stop in fear of pissing something larger than life or death off.

I suggest some people read about the apocryphal books. There are a number of books from the old and the new testament that the Counsil rejected. For example, the New Testament as we know it, only contains 4 books, the 4 evangelists. But in reality, many more were found, I think it's about 12 or so. But when deciding upon the final version of was to be the Bible, the Counsil made the decision to select only those 4 because the other books sometimes contained information that didn't comply with what the Church wanted people to believe in. Those books exist. Some of them are still in the archives of the Vatican, other have been destroyed long ago.  I don't want to start an argument about the content of the apocryphal books and what they were saying. My point here is that Ingui's arguement that "One book, written over the course of millenia, by many different authors, still maintaining a common theme and surviving intact for some 2,000 years" is not quite true, because those 4 books were SELECTED because of their similar message and because that message was the one the Church wanted.

But for the curious minds out there, do a little research, dig up a little bit, and you might find that the Bible could have been quite different.

Oh and one more thing. To people that think that the World is so perefct, so it MUST have been made by a higher being. This reminds me of a part in Voltaire's "Candide" where there is this guy, a "metaphysicist" (what they called then a philosopher), who is just so amased that everything is so perfect. He gives as an example how just amasing it is that glasses fit just perfect on your face. Had we had no nose to hold the glasses on, they would have been impossible to wear!!  Very funny. But anyway, back on topic. The World we live in may be complex, but it certainly isn't perfect. We find it so because that's what we're used to. And yes, it is complex, because it's taken billions of years of shaping.

Take billions of years of accidents. The bad accidents disapear, the good accidents live on and proceates. BILLIONS of years. Little things here and there. And yes, eventually to come up to somehing that is quite complex and quite well adapted for survival in our environment.

studying DNA from older civilizations seems to strongly indicate that the "genetic load" ( totality and frequency of genetic defects ) in the human race has increased dramatically and steadily with time. we're not evolving, we're devolving with each century. the average athenian in ancient greece was more intelligent than the average citizen living in any country on the planet today. ( how's that for a flagrant assertion that i cannot prove, and you cannot disprove).