Published on September 11, 2003 By grayhaze In WinCustomize Talk
I thought I'd pre-empt this discussion before Kona's comment in the other thread sparked it off there. There is concrete proof that we evolved, but no proof that we were created. What's you're opinion, and why?

To quote Phoebe from Friends: "I guess the real question is who put those fossils there and why?"
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on Sep 15, 2003
hehe paxxy

Java yeah that link was interesting the guys "should" have contacted a few hospitals and also epidemiology for some info instead of just restaurants cuz the story is true and ppl are animalistic enough to actually do this stuff... yuk!

anyways I agree w/ dutchy this thread just went to hell now and it's all China's fault for posting that thing about the monkey brains! hehe
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on Sep 15, 2003
what???????
on Sep 15, 2003
hehe

alright so maybe I sent it to Hell, it seemed idle and that everyone of us was done w/ our POV's and it was ready to be laid to rest...

Doreen kneels down and prays over this thread and sticks it in purgatory
on Sep 15, 2003
unless my bro paxxy was not done???? hehe
on Sep 16, 2003
other life as in roaches right paxx?

those things keep going. what cool replacements!

after all the chemicals we put in them and the left over nuclear waste, they'll be talking in no time.
on Sep 16, 2003
wait I just realized that there are more pages...

What I ment is roaches being here long after humans.

Hey is it possibly that we'll evolve into another species?

Like half cow and half human?
on Sep 16, 2003
I dont realy believe in god .... I think life would be a sorrow if it was only there to enter a world which is perfect and a paradise after you die... you can make your life a paradise and liveable on this world just live your life and if god realy exists: wouldnt he tell us to live our life like we want ??
and believe in the things we want?? Every religion you are in limits your believes and your opionion and doesnt accept some things ... i believe that every thing belongs together and that all the things connected are "god" so you are somehow your own god too cause you can form your life like you want to and become what you want to... thx for reading
on Sep 16, 2003
Joe....Dolly Parton tried that....
on Sep 16, 2003
hehe Jafo...
on Sep 16, 2003
One thing that people forget it seems is that Human Beings are after all nothing more than animals.


No we are not animals. we are a lifeform above the animals.
on Sep 16, 2003
Kona, we ARE an animal. There are two type of lifeforms on this planet: animal and vegetal. I'm fairly sure we aren't vegetables.
on Sep 16, 2003
Comes down to faith. I believe God created us in his Image and he gave us dominion over every other lifeform and animal on the face of the earth.

And you messed up paxx there are three:
Animal Kindom
Plant Kindom
And I cn not remember the third.
on Sep 16, 2003

It's not a matter of opinion, Kona, humains are animals. You could still have faith and admit the reality. You could say for example that God made humans the highest of all animals (although I don't agree with that, we are different, but no animal is "highest" than another).

But yes, Kona you are right though. The difference between plant and animal cells is basically that plant cells have cell walls and chlorophile while animal cells don't.  But bacterias are not animal or plant because they don't have a nucleus. Also mushrooms have cell walls but no chlorophille.  Anyway, there are indeed a few exception cases like that, but they are very uncommon. Humains are most definalely animals.

But indeed because of those few exception, another classification is now used in scince. We don't speak of animal/plant any more but of those 3:
- Eubacteria
- Archas-bacteria
- Eucaryotes (in turn divided in four: protista, fungi, animal, plant)

on Sep 16, 2003
Paxx, for someone with no belief in 'good and evil', you certainly have a great deal of the world stratified into 'right and wrong'.

One thing I am noticing is how the people here who espouse evolution are the ones that are usually rabidly compassionate politically. It seems odd that someone who calls themselves 'paxx' can embrace a theory who's mechanism is the extinction of everything deemed unfit to live * by chance * . How can people with such an appreciation for a chaotic system like evolution not respect that good can come of war, capital punishment, etc?

It's an "It's a Wonderful Life" type thing, imho. In the movie, "George Bailey" rues his life as a failure, interpreting all his mistakes and misfortune and setbacks. In the end we are shown that the happiness and livelihood of the entire town has been shaped by the experiences he is mourning. If there is anything that both religion and evolution shares, it is the concept that we do not understand how this system works, and often those things which we see as wrong or unjust are what solidifies the well-being of the world. So how can people be so passionate about what they find to be 'wrong', if evolution is the mechanism of our continued survival as a species?

If you believe in evolution you have to respect that war, famine, capital punishment, etc., are evolutionary factors within our species and just extensions of the same process that made us. I can't imagine someone who espouses evolution being anything less than a far-right supply-sider in terms of their economics. The other side is simply running counter to their definition of how the world works.

There are protesters that follow the WTO talks from country to country protesting for downtrodden and starving around the world, and at the same time would laugh at you if you told them anything but 'natural selection' shaped their world. If a system that functions based upon chaos and neutrality is what governs the world, then why is the free-market and things like war so horrific to people who claim to have no sense of 'good and evil'?

I find creationism to make a whole lot more sense for the compassionate. I'm the worst of the lot, since i believe in both.



on Sep 16, 2003

Bakerstreet, I'm not sure I get your point.

Surely you are not suggesting that evolutionism equals social darwinism.  As you probably know, Darwinism is a European doctrine that justified colonialism in the 19th century. European governments (mainly England and France) took Darwin's theory and tried to apply it in a social context: survival of the fittest means that Europeans are more evolved and therefore are perfectly entitled of ruling over the inferior Africans (and other inferior ethnics).

No, Bakerstreet. I do believe in evolution. And I do believe that humains follow rules and morals that they set. That's what living in society means.  I do not believe in good and evil, but I do believe in right or wrong.  "Wrong" means that the society I live in doesn't judge acceptable a certain behavior.  Of course, the same behavior could be "right" in a different culture or a different time in history.
Your example of War or Capital Punishment is the perfect example proving that point.  Killing is wrong. But it's right in certain circumstances.  Of course, I don't agree with it, but that's what makes society's rules: its people's own specific values.

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