Kona....conversely, Man gave God the characteristic of only being 'believed in' by many, but not by all....

I am starting to think that if God revealed himself to everyone on earth we would still have those that do not belive in him.

The hell with evolution!

I think you all need to watch some more Veggie-Tales. Bob the Tomato can explain all this in one simple fun song.

If not, listen to something from these guys... http://www.audioa.com/

The evolution stuff...all it takes is one time for Christ to touch you as you fall on your knees balling your eyes out and you'll realize how silly the whole evolution thing really is.

Some things just cannot be explained...like why my wife just cannot get the sauce right when she fixes me peppersteak for dinner.

The evolution stuff...all it takes is one time for Christ to touch you as you fall on your knees balling your eyes out and you'll realize how silly the whole evolution thing really is.

EXACTLY... happended to me LONG time ago!

Evolution = Science BS!

Modern day scientists are nothing more than people dicovering certain things through high tech means that I already KNOW through my faith and THE WORD of GOD. Revelation expains everything that is going on in todays world, if you have the heart to comprehend and understand it! And the faith to believe that the Bible is more than just a BOOK that man wrote.

The Bible is a book written by God Through Man.

Kona....strangely, God can ONLY reveal himself to those who believe in his existence. If God were an individual entity he would not be so many different things to so many different peoples and religions, but must be a conceptual figurehead/icon of those very disparate religions.

If there is no belief then there cannot be a God [for those who do not believe].

One person's belief that there is none does not negate another's belief that there is one.

Both can be, and are CORRECT, as it is only the individual who can determine its truth.

If there is no belief then there cannot be a God [for those who do not believe].

Not true. God could walk the Earth right now and you would proably deny him. Just becuase YOU THINK he is not real dosen't mean he is not.

For Example: The human body is way to advanced and thought out when it was designed to be a evolved form of life..

Same with the earth: to perfect to NOT have been created.

One person's belief that there is none does not negate another's belief that there is one.

True....hmmmmmmmm

Kona, if God himself appeared to you and told you "I do not exist", you would still not believe him.

More seriously. No, you're right, I wouldn't. I've worked in the psychiatric ward some years ago, and I can tell you that many told me they were God, and I didn't believe them.

If there is no belief then there cannot be a God [for those who do not believe].

I was not a believer. I thought the "Whole Jesus Kick" was a way for another thief to steal money from people who didn't have it. I always saw Christians as the biggest bunch of hypocrites. (Pardon my spelling)

No one talked me into "Seeing Christ." No one dictated to me what I was supposed to believe. I was "touched" emotionally and physically with something that was real to me. Something that I cannot put into words much less into type. When this happened I chose to believe in Christ. But as I have lived my life these last 6 years I have a demonstration of the truth in ways you wouldn't understand because you don't believe. To quote scripture to you would probably be foolish because you do not value it or see it for what it is...but none the less...

For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1Co. 1:18 NASB

Until you have that "touch" on your life, you will not understand. My prayer would be that you "Get it" someday...but the choice is yours...and always has been yours.

Why can't people take responsability for the good and bad that happens to them and because of them?

Maybe us Christains should not mingle with non'believers...

After all there are only 2 Camps... Gods and the Evil ones

There is no Grey area.

It's 'we Christians'....and it 'can' be arranged.....

Maybe us Christains should not mingle with non'believers...

for the sake of arguements Paul...

Jafo,

'In spite of established religion (or the desire to have one) was pretty much my point. Reading my post, I see it could be taken either way, depending on the way it was read .

Kona,

The idea that there is only one truth (and that the speaker only is in posession of it) is responsible for far more evil than any other human action in history.

Faith in God is only between God and the believer. I am not answerable to you for my belief, nor are you answerable to me. We are each only answerable to God, and only He may judge the worth of our actions.

Also, depending on your point of view, the earth and the human body certainly aren't perfect at all, let alone too perfect. Quite a bit of both systems are compromises between various subsystems. Again, God and evolution are *not* mutually exclusive concepts. It is entirely possible, and entirely likely, that both are truth.

By the way, you may have noticed that you had post #666