Published on September 11, 2003 By grayhaze In WinCustomize Talk
I thought I'd pre-empt this discussion before Kona's comment in the other thread sparked it off there. There is concrete proof that we evolved, but no proof that we were created. What's you're opinion, and why?

To quote Phoebe from Friends: "I guess the real question is who put those fossils there and why?"
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on Sep 11, 2003

Well, ok. A little more seriously...

I believe in the evolution. I believe life started on this planet from unicelular lifeforms (ameabas, virii, bacteries, etc.), that slowly evolved into all the living creatures we have today (and the ones that died). But my problem is there, at that point. How did life happen to start with?  How did those unicelular lifeforms suddenly hatched out of nothing? That's where MY questions start. Was it God? Is Genesis a metaphore to describe how God put that sparkle of life that eventually eveolved into all animals including mankind? It's a possibility that I won't deny.  Or is it extraterrestrials who "injected" on earth those primitive lifeforms as an experiment, to see how it would evolve in our environment? Again, not an impossible thought. Or maybe God is an extraterrestrial? Why not?  Or again, maybe life just "happened". Or maybe those primitive organisms came from somewhere else. Maybe they were frozen on a meterorite that came from very far away. Earth then was completely covered with water, and our atmosphere was then almost inexistant. Maybe those micro-organisms then "thawed out" and multiplied, and eventually mutated into more complex creatures, starting a long chain that leads us to today's biosystem.
I tend to believe the latter, but I really don't know, just as nobody knows for sure either.

on Sep 11, 2003
Awesome!!!

Thanks DavidK
on Sep 11, 2003
Zodiaq, besides what DavidK might have in the way of a book list or links ( I'd like them also )...

History Channel, Science Channel, Civilization Channel, Discovery Channels all have very in depth presentations on such topics also...





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on Sep 11, 2003
hehe paxxy

well from what I take as faith God is the "Alpha & Omega" he is the begining and the end...

I always think the harder that something looks the easier it really is "sometimes"

anyways I feel I know who/what God is, I just am a very disobedient daughter so I'm not sure I will make it to be w/ him...
on Sep 11, 2003
God is outside of time and still beyond our understanding.


I find that such a silly thing for thinking self aware beings to accept as being reality.

God is (fill in blank)!

How do you know?

Because someone said so.

Oh......


or...

I've got a BOOK!

wait...

No not a book THE BOOK!



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on Sep 11, 2003
well even if God revealed himself to us we'd all be looking for smoke and mirrors cuz we stilll would not believe...

so to know God is to have "Faith"
on Sep 11, 2003
God is (fill in blank)!


God is bigger than the boogy man


Bob: You were lying in your bed
You were feeling kind of sleepy
But you couldn't close your eyes because the room was getting creepy.
Larry: Were those eyeballs in the closet?
Was that Godzilla in the hall?
Bob: There was something big and hairy casting shadows on the wall.
Now your heart is beating like a drum
Your skin is getting clammy.
There's a hundred tiny monsters jumping right into your jammies!
Bob: What are going to do?
Junior: I'm going to call the police!
Bob: No! You don't need to do anything!
Junior: What? Why?
Bob: Because ...
Bob: God is bigger than the boogie man
He's bigger than Godzilla, or the monsters on TV
Oh, God is bigger than the boogie man
And He's watching out for you and me.
Junior: So, when I'm lying in my bed
And the furniture starts creeping
I'll just laugh and say, "Hey, cut that out!"
And get back to my sleeping
'Cause I know that God's the biggest
And He's watching all the while.
So, when I get scared I'll think of Him
And close my eyes and smile!
All: God is bigger than the boogie man
He's bigger than Godzilla, or the monsters on TV
Oh, God is bigger than the boogie man
And He's watching out for you and me.
Monster #1: So, are you frightened?
Junior: No, not really.
Monster #2: Are you worried?
Junior: Not a bit.
I know what ever's gonna happen,
That God can handle it.
Frankencelery: I'm sorry that I scared you when you saw me on TV.
Junior: Well that's okay,
'Cuz now I know that God is taking care of me!
All: God is bigger than the boogie man
He's bigger than Godzilla, or the monsters on TV
Oh, God is bigger than the boogie man
And He's watching out for you and me.
Junior: One more time!
All: God is bigger than the boogie man
He's bigger than Godzilla, or the monsters on TV
Oh, God is bigger than the boogie man
And He's watching out for you and me.
Monster #1: Watchin' ...
Monster #2: Watchin' ...
Monster #3: Watchin' ...
Junior: Out for you and me! Yeah!


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on Sep 11, 2003
Greyhaze wrote: "There is concrete proof that we evolved"

This is where I get confused. I have never read concrete proof ANYWHERE. Could someone steer me to this concrete proof, I would love to see it.
on Sep 11, 2003
That's why they call it the "Theory of Evolution:



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on Sep 11, 2003
I cant speak with certainty about whether or not we evolved from a lower life form or not,but we are evolving.Humans have changed in the short time we have been studying ourselves.We are not the same as we were even 10,000 years ago.Thats not very long in terms of a species evolutionary timescale.
on Sep 11, 2003
Xerraire, how to explain fosiles?

and something diffrend, ask yourself why 'less advanced' populations are believers in god, and the 'more advanced' people don't?

as far as I know einstein didn't believe in god... and thats just 1 of them
on Sep 11, 2003
Thanks IPlural...Actually I don't have cable right now (don't really watch t.v. anymore)...except for the 'Broadband' of course

I have been stuck on "Nova" here and there though

And as you said up above, "How do you know"? Exactly!!!

Some call it "Faith" could it be "Blind Faith"? It would be very 'Myopic' to believe that there are not other possiblities
on Sep 11, 2003
On a more serious note...
http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/menu-life.html

http://www.christiananswers.net/creation/home.html

Fast Facts...
on the origin of life
During all recorded human history, there has never been a substantiated case of a living thing being produced from anything other than another living thing.

As yet, Evolutionism has not produced a scientifically credible explanation for the origin of such immense complexities as DNA, the human brain, and many elements of the cosmos.

It is highly premature for materialists to claim that all living things evolved into existence, when science has yet to discover how even one protein molecule could actually have come into existence by natural processes.

There is no scientific proof that life did (or ever could) evolved into existence from non-living matter. Further, there is substantial evidence that spontaneous generation is impossible. Only DNA is known to produce DNA. No chemical interaction of molecules has even come close to producing this ultra-complex code which is so essential to all known life.

How can we know there's a God?
How can a scientist recognize evidence for an intelligent Creator?

If God made everything, who made God?
Who created God?

Where did life come from? Is evolution really the best scientific answer?
Could life have begun through chance and natural chemistry? Have laboratory scientists proved that life evolved on its own? What discovery should have stopped the whole Creation/Evolution debate?

Can evolution be the source of life in all its complexity?
The more science reveals about life's complexity, the more doubtful it appears that life originated without intelligent help.

Why is abiogenesis impossible?
A scientist examines Evolution's claim that life originated spontaneously. The problems with this theory are so serious that the majority of evolutionists today tend to shun the whole subject. If you thought that an evolutionary origin of life had been proven, you need to read this definitive answer.

Second Law of Thermodynamics - Would this basic law of nature have prevented the natural evolution of life?




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on Sep 11, 2003
Kona, we dated Dinosaurs 65,000,000 years ago? How can you possibly believe such a thing?!


you dated dinosaurs by mans reasoning witch is absurb in the first place. in reality I think in my own mind dinosaurs were around less than 6000 years ago.

Again, mans idea that the earth is millions of years old is wrong.

Scripture has the answer. Romans one informs us that unbelievers will devise systems of thought to suppress the truth about God from their consciences.


Yes this is a good thought. the Bible does have the answers. If people refuse to believe them, thats their problems. I will continue to believe, until my death, that God created us (as well as all of the earth and everything in it) and you all will never compromise my faith... sorry!

on Sep 11, 2003
In Genesis there's a story of creation, including the creation of man. The original Hebrew Bible says the Elohim (gods, plural) made man in "their" likeness.


Their likness was refering to God, Jesus, and The Holy Sprit. The 3 entities are the same but different.
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